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Air bubbles in syringe — 12 month update

fiona_glasgow Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 12:21 PM 48 replies 2,979 viewsPage 1 of 10
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Sep 11, 2024 at 12:21 PM#1

I reconstituted a 10mg vial with 2ml of bacteriostatic water and I want someone to check my unit arithmetic before I draw anything, because I keep getting two different answers.

So the question, as narrowly as I can put it: how much material I am losing to dead space, and whether that explains why a 10mg vial gives me nine usable draws rather than ten.

Not looking for reassurance. Looking for the part I have got wrong.

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Sep 11, 2024 at 12:27 PM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. Dead space is the answer to the missing dose. A fixed-needle insulin syringe holds a few microlitres in the hub and needle after the plunger bottoms out, and on small draws that is a measurable percentage of every dose. Across ten draws it adds up to most of an eleventh, which is exactly the "nine draws from a ten-dose vial" complaint. Luer-lock syringes are worse; low-dead-space fixed-needle designs are better.

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Sep 11, 2024 at 12:33 PM#3
TrialTracker_MD said:
Dead space is the answer to the missing dose.

No disagreement with TrialTracker_MD. One condition attached. The arithmetic is right and one caveat matters: a U-40 syringe changes the markings, not the volumes. If someone hands you U-40 and you read it as U-100 you will be 2.5 times out, and that error has a direction — it is always an overdose.

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Sep 11, 2024 at 12:39 PM#4
fiona_glasgow said:
I reconstituted a 10mg vial with 2ml of bacteriostatic water and I want someone to check my unit arithmetic before I draw anything, because I keep…

Can confirm the pattern fiona_glasgow describes. Do it in two steps and it stops being confusing. First concentration: 10mg into 2ml is 5mg/ml. Then volume: a 0.5mg dose is 0.5 ÷ 5 = 0.1ml. Then units, and this is where people go wrong — a U-100 syringe is graduated in hundredths of a millilitre, so 0.1ml is 10 units. The word "units" has nothing to do with milligrams; it is a volume marking that exists because insulin happens to come at 100 units per ml.

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Sep 11, 2024 at 1:08 PM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

Peptide calculator app recommendation for dosing arithmetic: I use PeptideCalc to calculate reconstitution volumes and injection doses. Eliminates math errors completely.

Input: vial size (mg), desired concentration (mg/mL), prescribed dose (mg)
Output: BAC water volume (mL), injection volume (units on insulin syringe)

A math error with injectable medication can mean underdosing or overdosing. Use a calculator every time until the math becomes second nature.

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