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Insomnia on semaglutide — need advice

wei_SG Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 5:21 AM 34 replies 1,822 viewsPage 1 of 7
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wei_SG
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Dec 17, 2024 at 5:21 AM#1

Six months in at 2.4mg. The first four months were close to the trial curve and the last two have been flat, which is roughly what the STEP 1 figure predicts if you read the tail rather than the headline.

So the question, as narrowly as I can put it: what the dose-response curve actually looks like above 1.7mg, because the trial means hide how few people account for the extra loss.

Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 6:42 AM#2

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. The mechanism that matters here is not stomach emptying, it is central. GLP-1 receptor agonism in the arcuate nucleus stimulates POMC neurons and suppresses AgRP/NPY signalling, which is why the effect is appetite and food salience rather than physical fullness. Delayed gastric emptying largely tachyphylaxes over the first months; the appetite effect does not.

Happy to go further on any of that.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 8:03 AM#3
Dr.GutHealth said:
The mechanism that matters here is not stomach emptying, it is central.

Dr.GutHealth has the substance of this right. The condition it depends on is worth stating. Albumin binding above 99% is the whole reason weekly dosing works, and it is also why the trough matters more than the peak. People who dose late are not losing a peak, they are letting the trough fall, and the appetite effect tracks the trough.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 9:24 AM#4
wei_SG said:
The first four months were close to the trial curve and the last two have been flat, which is roughly what the STEP 1 figure predicts if you read the…

That holds for the injectable. The oral formulation has different absorption behaviour and the dose numbers are not interchangeable, which is worth saying out loud because people quote them as if they were.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 5:15 PM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

wei_SG said:
...but the FDA says semaglutide...

Interesting point. I want to add some regulatory nuance: the FDA labeling reflects the specific clinical trial data submitted for approval. Real-world clinical practice often extends beyond the FDA label based on emerging evidence and clinical judgment.

Example: semaglutide was first approved for diabetes (Ozempic), then obesity (Wegovy). The molecule didn't change — our understanding of its applications expanded. Similarly, semaglutide may evolve as more data accumulates.

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