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Glucagon receptor agonism and hepatic lipid oxidation — 6 month update

JennaRN Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 5:22 AM 12 replies 2,000 viewsPage 1 of 3
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Aug 30, 2024 at 5:22 AM#1

Following the glucagon co-agonists mostly for the liver endpoints rather than the weight ones, which seems to be the opposite of how they get discussed here.

The bit I cannot resolve on my own is whether the liver signal is independent of weight loss or downstream of it, because that determines whether any of this is interesting for someone whose weight is already where they want it.

Practical detail welcome, however dull — the duller the better.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 6:04 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. The pharmacokinetics explain nearly every practical question asked here. Albumin binding above 99% slows clearance enough to make weekly dosing possible; a terminal half-life near a week means four to five weeks to steady state and therefore a four-week titration interval; subcutaneous bioavailability around 89% means injection site barely matters. Those three facts answer most timing questions before they are asked.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 6:46 AM#3
Dr.RenalNash said:
The pharmacokinetics explain nearly every practical question asked here.

Agreed, and the adaptation point cuts both ways: tachyphylaxis to gastric emptying is why tolerability improves, and it is also why people who were relying on physical fullness feel the effect fade while the appetite effect is still working.

I would rather be corrected than agreed with, if it comes to it.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 7:28 AM#4
JennaRN said:
Following the glucagon co-agonists mostly for the liver endpoints rather than the weight ones, which seems to be the opposite of how they get…

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so out loud.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 11:23 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

Glucagon receptor pharmacology in triple agonists (retatrutide), relevant to the glucagon co-agonists: the glucagon component is the most controversial because glucagon traditionally raises blood glucose. So why include it in an anti-obesity drug?

Key insight: glucagon increases energy expenditure (thermogenesis), promotes hepatic lipid oxidation, and reduces appetite through distinct CNS mechanisms. The hyperglycemic effect is counterbalanced by the GLP-1 component's insulin secretagogue action.

Net result: more weight loss through increased expenditure (glucagon) + decreased intake (GLP-1/GIP), with neutral or improved glycemia. An elegant pharmacological balancing act[1].

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[1] Day JW, et al. Nat Rev Drug Discov. 2022;21:37-54.
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