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ForumsCardiovascular OutcomesDo the heart benefits go away if I stop taking it? — looking for input Page 2

Do the heart benefits go away if I stop taking it? — looking for input

DeniseRN_TPA Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 12:02 AM 45 replies 2,308 viewsPage 2 of 9
kate.chem
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DeniseRN_TPA said:
SELECT is the trial that changed the framing of this class, because it was an outcome trial rather than a weight trial: about a 20% relative reduction…

Continuous metabolic monitoring dashboard for cardiovascular risk — I track everything in a spreadsheet and here's the month-over-month trend for my key markers:

Weight: consistent downtrend, -2.2 lbs/week average
Fasting glucose (finger stick): stable at 83 mg/dL
Blood pressure (home): 117/73 average
Resting heart rate: 63 bpm (down from 79)
Waist circumference: down 13 inches total

The resting heart rate improvement correlates with cardiovascular fitness gains. Everything is moving in the right direction.

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Oct 20, 2024 at 4:53 PM#7

Following on from Dr.AddMedPHL — and this may be the naive question:

How long did you give it before you decided it was working?

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Oct 21, 2024 at 4:33 AM#8
kate.chem said:
Continuous metabolic monitoring dashboard for cardiovascular risk — I track everything in a spreadsheet and here's the month-over-month trend for my…

Vitamin deficiency cascade with cardiovascular risk: after 6+ months of reduced food intake, I developed a subtle but important pattern: low B12 → elevated homocysteine → increased cardiovascular risk marker.

The connection: B12 is a cofactor for homocysteine metabolism. Without adequate B12, homocysteine accumulates. This is ironic — taking a CV-protective medication while developing a CV risk factor from reduced nutrition.

Solution: comprehensive vitamin supplementation and regular lab monitoring. Don't let the medication's benefits be undermined by nutritional deficiencies.

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Oct 21, 2024 at 4:13 PM#9
kate.chem said:
Continuous metabolic monitoring dashboard for cardiovascular risk — I track everything in a spreadsheet and here's the month-over-month trend for my…
kate.chem said:
...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...

This is a fair point, and I think intellectual honesty requires acknowledging it. GLP-1 agonists in their current form have ~8-10 years of human exposure data. That's not nothing, but it's not 30+ years either.

However: the risk-benefit calculation should also consider the KNOWN long-term effects of untreated obesity — diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, joint destruction, reduced lifespan by 5-10 years.

Uncertainty about GLP-1 long-term safety vs certainty about obesity consequences. The calculus seems clear to me, but reasonable people can disagree.

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Dr.LeslieOBGYN said:
Vitamin deficiency cascade with cardiovascular risk: after 6+ months of reduced food intake, I developed a subtle but important pattern: low B12 →…

Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated with lower BMI also show associations with reduced cardiovascular risk, confirming a causal pathway[1].

This "natural experiment" (people born with genetically higher GLP-1 signaling being leaner and healthier) provides orthogonal evidence supporting the pharmacological approach. When genetic epidemiology, clinical trials, and mechanistic studies all converge, confidence in the therapeutic approach is high.

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[1] Zheng SL, et al. Lancet Diabetes Endocrinol. 2023;11(12):869-879.
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