Four dose steps in, holding each one the full four weeks, and I am trying to work out whether the interval is a pharmacological requirement or a tolerability convention.
The arithmetic in one line: half-life about a week, so steady state at four to five weeks, so a four-week interval is one steady state per step. Two-week intervals mean every step is dosed onto a rising curve.
The question I want answered is what the trials actually did with participants who could not tolerate a step, because that is the situation I am in and the protocol summaries skip it.
I would rather have one careful answer than five confident ones.
Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. Holding longer is the underrated move. A step that is uncomfortable at week two is frequently comfortable at week six with no change in dose, because the gastric-emptying component tachyphylaxes while the appetite effect persists. Escalating at week two throws that adaptation away.
Dr.NateNeph said:A step that is uncomfortable at week two is frequently comfortable at week six with no change in dose, because the gastric-emptying component…
Agreed on the arithmetic, with one condition: holding indefinitely at a dose that is not doing anything is not patience, it is a stall with a nice name. The distinction is whether appetite has changed at all at the current step.
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Shop Reference Standardspam_columbus said:Four dose steps in, holding each one the full four weeks, and I am trying to work out whether the interval is a pharmacological requirement or a…
This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so. The trials generally allowed a step to be held or reduced and then retried, and people who did that mostly arrived at the same place a few weeks later. The end point of the ladder is set by tolerability, not by a schedule, and there is no evidence that reaching the top faster produces a better outcome.
I would rather be corrected than agreed with, if it comes to it.
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