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Weekend vs weekday injection — what worked for you?

mona_PHX Sat, Aug 17, 2024 at 2:45 AM 18 replies 2,094 viewsPage 1 of 4
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mona_PHX
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Aug 17, 2024 at 2:45 AM#1

I titrated faster than the label because I felt fine, hit a wall at the third step, and had to come back down — which I now think was the predictable outcome rather than bad luck.

The arithmetic in one line: half-life about a week, so steady state at four to five weeks, so a four-week interval is one steady state per step. Two-week intervals mean every step is dosed onto a rising curve.

So the question, as narrowly as I can put it: what the trials actually did with participants who could not tolerate a step, because that is the situation I am in and the protocol summaries skip it.

Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 3:37 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. The trials generally allowed a step to be held or reduced and then retried, and people who did that mostly arrived at the same place a few weeks later. The end point of the ladder is set by tolerability, not by a schedule, and there is no evidence that reaching the top faster produces a better outcome.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 4:29 AM#3
DataDave said:
The trials generally allowed a step to be held or reduced and then retried, and people who did that mostly arrived at the same place a few weeks…

That is right for the weekly injectables. For the daily agents the interval logic is different and the four-week convention does not transfer.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 5:21 AM#4
mona_PHX said:
I titrated faster than the label because I felt fine, hit a wall at the third step, and had to come back down — which I now think was the predictable…

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. Four weeks is the pharmacokinetics, not caution. With a one-week half-life you need four to five half-lives to reach steady state, so at two weeks you are dosing on top of a concentration that has not finished rising. Escalating then stacks exposure and you get the side-effect burden of the higher dose before you have seen the benefit of the current one.

Correct me if the detail matters more than I have assumed.

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Aug 17, 2024 at 10:14 AM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

PSA for titration users considering the 0.25mg starting dose: this dose is NOT intended for weight loss. It's a titration dose to let your body adjust. Don't be discouraged if you don't lose much in the first month.

The therapeutic dose for weight management starts at 1.7mg (semaglutide) or 5mg (tirzepatide). Be patient with the ramp-up.

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