[VERIFIED] Vendor application thread — apply here

Dr.SleepRoch said:

The useful move here is to separate what is established from what is widely repeated.

Worth restating a point from upthread for anyone joining at this page:

If you are comparing against somebody else’s result, check that you are comparing the same measurement taken the same way. Most of the apparent contradictions in these threads dissolve at that step.

That is the short version; the long version is somebody else's post.

This was answered several pages up and is worth repeating rather than re-litigating:

Start from the measurement rather than the conclusion. Almost every disagreement here turns out to be two people measuring different things and comparing the numbers anyway.

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

Update — I was wrong in the opening post, specifically about the direction. Correcting it here rather than editing it away.

mike_mod said:

Update — I was wrong in the opening post, specifically about the direction.

I do not accept the framing. The question has been narrowed to the version that has a tidy answer, and the part that was dropped is the part the OP actually asked about.

mike_mod said:

Update — I was wrong in the opening post, specifically about the direction.

That holds where the measurement is reliable. Where it is noisy — and a lot of what gets tracked here is noisy — the same reasoning produces confident nonsense.