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Protein powder rankings — anyone have experience?

tane_welly Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 5:01 PM 11 replies 1,904 viewsPage 1 of 3
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tane_welly
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Jun 26, 2024 at 5:01 PM#1

Collecting this in one place because it comes up every few weeks and the answer is always assembled from scratch. It is about protein intake, and it is deliberately narrow — everything I am not confident about is marked as such.

What is actually established

On a suppressed appetite the winning strategy is protein density per unit of volume, not per calorie. Isolate powders, Greek yoghurt and cottage cheese, egg whites, lean fish, and tinned tuna all deliver a lot of protein in a small physical volume. Front-load it: appetite is usually least suppressed in the first hours after waking and worst on the day or two after dosing, so get the majority in early in the day and early in the week.

The condition it depends on

The caveat that reference weight and current weight are different numbers. Using current weight at the start of a large loss produces a target that is both unachievable and unnecessary.

The practical version

The arithmetic that makes it tractable: reference weight in kg times 1.6 gives the target; divide by four for a per-sitting figure; then find four foods that hit that figure in a volume you can actually finish. Most people need two of the four to be liquid or semi-liquid early on.

What I am not sure about

The narrow version of the question is whether the RDA is the wrong reference entirely during rapid weight loss, and what the actual target should be. I would rather have one careful answer than five confident ones.

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Jun 26, 2024 at 5:21 PM#2
tane_welly said:
On a suppressed appetite the winning strategy is protein density per unit of volume, not per calorie.

That is correct as far as it goes, and here is where it stops going. The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why. 0.8 g/kg is the intake at which nitrogen balance is not negative in healthy weight-stable adults — a floor for deficiency prevention, not an optimum, and derived in a population that is not in a deficit. In a substantial energy deficit, protein requirement rises because amino acids are being oxidised for energy and because muscle protein synthesis is blunted. The literature on preserving lean mass during weight loss lands around 1.4 to 2.0 g/kg of reference body weight, which is roughly two to two and a half times the RDA.

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Jun 26, 2024 at 5:41 PM#3
tane_welly said:
On a suppressed appetite the winning strategy is protein density per unit of volume, not per calorie.

I will push back on the powder-first advice. It works and it also trains people out of eating food, and when the drug stops the habits are what remain. Getting protein from meals is slower and holds up better afterwards.

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Jun 26, 2024 at 6:01 PM#4

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. Distribution matters less than total but it is not nothing. Roughly 25 to 40g per sitting with enough leucine to trigger synthesis, three or four times a day, is more effective than the same total in one enormous evening meal — and on a suppressed appetite the enormous evening meal is the one you will not finish anyway.

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Jun 26, 2024 at 7:46 PM#5
NeuroNate said:
The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why.

Same pattern here, and in the same order.

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