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Semaglutide and MASH — 6 month update

Dr.ReproEndo Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:09 PM 11 replies 2,208 viewsPage 1 of 3
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Dr.ReproEndo
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Feb 22, 2024 at 1:09 PM#1

Started at 0.25mg with a fairly bad first week, held each step the full four weeks, and I am now at 1mg with no side effects worth naming.

What I am after is what the dose-response curve actually looks like above 1.7mg, because the trial means hide how few people account for the extra loss.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 1:39 PM#2

Short answer first, then the reasoning. The dose-response is real but shallow at the top. Across STEP 1 and STEP 4 the gap between 1.7mg and 2.4mg is a couple of percentage points of body weight on average, and the average is carrying a wide spread — plenty of people at 1.7mg sit above the 2.4mg mean. If a dose is working and tolerable, "working" is the relevant variable, not "maximal".

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Feb 22, 2024 at 2:09 PM#3
JennaRN said:
The dose-response is real but shallow at the top.

No disagreement with JennaRN. One condition attached. Steady state is the thing most people miss. The terminal half-life is about a week, so every dose step takes four to five weeks to fully express itself. Judging a step at day ten is judging the ascent, not the plateau, and it is the single commonest reason people escalate before they needed to.

If somebody has the primary source to hand I would rather cite it than paraphrase it.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 2:39 PM#4
Dr.ReproEndo said:
Started at 0.25mg with a fairly bad first week, held each step the full four weeks, and I am now at 1mg with no side effects worth naming.

Agreed, though "tolerable" needs defining. A dose you tolerate by eating almost nothing is not tolerated, it is being paid for somewhere else — usually in lean mass, sometimes in adherence three months later.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 5:23 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

Dr.ReproEndo said:
...but the FDA says semaglutide...

Interesting point. I want to add some regulatory nuance: the FDA labeling reflects the specific clinical trial data submitted for approval. Real-world clinical practice often extends beyond the FDA label based on emerging evidence and clinical judgment.

Example: semaglutide was first approved for diabetes (Ozempic), then obesity (Wegovy). The molecule didn't change — our understanding of its applications expanded. Similarly, semaglutide may evolve as more data accumulates.

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