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Has anyone dealt with my compounded sema journey?

Dr.PeteFamMed Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 9:15 PM 11 replies 2,020 viewsPage 1 of 3
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Dr.PeteFamMed
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Jun 12, 2024 at 9:15 PM#1

My pharmacy stopped supplying with three weeks notice and a letter that explained nothing, so I went and read the statute.

So the question, as narrowly as I can put it: what actually distinguishes 503A from 503B, in terms of what each may make and from what starting material.

If the honest answer is that nobody knows, that is a useful answer and I would rather have it.

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Jun 12, 2024 at 9:21 PM#2

Taking the question as asked, rather than the general version of it. They are two different exemptions from the same federal requirements and they buy different things. A 503A pharmacy is regulated primarily by the state board, needs a patient-specific prescription, is exempt from CGMP, and may use a bulk substance that has a USP monograph, is a component of an approved drug, or appears on the 503A bulks list — three independent doorways. A 503B outsourcing facility registers with the FDA, is inspected on a risk basis, must comply with CGMP, may compound for office stock without a patient-specific prescription, and has one doorway to a permitted bulk substance: the 503B bulks list, or the drug shortage list.

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Jun 12, 2024 at 9:27 PM#3
Dr.LipidDallas said:
They are two different exemptions from the same federal requirements and they buy different things.

Agreed, and the enforcement dates were staggered by category — 503A first, 503B a few weeks later — because outsourcing facilities have manufactured inventory and clinic contracts to unwind while a 503A makes to order.

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Jun 12, 2024 at 9:33 PM#4
Dr.PeteFamMed said:
My pharmacy stopped supplying with three weeks notice and a letter that explained nothing, so I went and read the statute.

Can confirm the pattern Dr.PeteFamMed describes. Resolution therefore closed the doors unevenly, and the asymmetry follows from the bulks lists. For 503B the shortage clause was the only route to these molecules, so that route shut completely. A 503A pharmacy can still argue a doorway via "component of an approved drug" — but only for the substance in the form present in the approved product, which is exactly where the base-versus-salt argument lives, and it does nothing about the copy restriction, which came back into force on resolution.

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Jun 12, 2024 at 10:03 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

FDA inspection results for compounding pharmacies selling compounded supply: you can look up any 503B facility's FDA inspection history on the FDA website.

Check for: Form 483 observations (violations), warning letters, and recall history. A clean inspection record is a strong indicator of quality. My pharmacy has had 1 Form 483 observations in their last 2 inspections.

This is public information. Use it. Link: fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations

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