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AOD-9604 — looking for input

nick_SD_fit Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 2:41 AM 12 replies 2,091 viewsPage 2 of 3
Dr.SurgeonPGH
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Jan 9, 2024 at 5:12 AM#6
HPLC_Greg said:
Semaglutide structural biology relevant to the pharmacology: semaglutide is a 31-amino acid peptide with 94% homology to native GLP-1(7-36).

Amycretin (AMY/GLP-1 dual agonist) emerging data relevant to the pharmacology: Phase 1 showed -13.1% body weight at only 12 weeks, the fastest trajectory ever seen for an anti-obesity agent[1].

Amylin receptor agonism enhances satiety signaling through the area postrema and reduces glucagon secretion. Combined with GLP-1R agonism, this dual mechanism may produce even greater efficacy than current agents.

Early-stage data — interpret with caution. But the trajectory is extraordinary.

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[1] Novo Nordisk investor presentation, September 2023.
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Jan 9, 2024 at 6:11 AM#7
nick_SD_fit said:
I went looking for why the dosing schedule is what it is and found that almost every practical question on this board has a pharmacokinetic answer…

Pharmacist here. I want to add the drug interaction perspective on the pharmacology.

Key points from a pharmacokinetic standpoint:

  • GLP-1 agonists delay gastric emptying, which can affect Tmax of co-administered oral medications
  • Monitor patients on warfarin (INR), levothyroxine (TSH), and oral contraceptives during dose titration
  • The albumin-binding mechanism of semaglutide (C-18 fatty acid linker) gives it the ~168-hour half-life that enables weekly dosing
  • Steady state is reached at approximately 4-5 weeks after dose initiation or adjustment

Re: the pharmacology specifically — the pharmacology here is well-characterized and the clinical implications are straightforward.

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Jan 9, 2024 at 7:10 AM#8
Dr.SurgeonPGH said:
Amycretin (AMY/GLP-1 dual agonist) emerging data relevant to the pharmacology: Phase 1 showed -13.1% body weight at only 12 weeks, the fastest…

Receptor pharmacology relevant to the pharmacology: semaglutide is a GLP-1R agonist with a C-18 fatty acid chain that enables albumin binding (>99%), creating a depot effect with a ~168-hour half-life enabling weekly dosing[1].

Tirzepatide is a dual GIP/GLP-1R agonist with higher GIP affinity (5:1 GIP:GLP-1 potency ratio). The GIP component may enhance beta-cell function and adipocyte lipid metabolism beyond what GLP-1 alone achieves.

For the pharmacology, the pharmacology explains the clinical differences between these agents.

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[1] Lau J, et al. J Med Chem. 2015;58(18):7370-7380.
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Jan 9, 2024 at 8:09 AM#9

One thing that is still open after KevinCompounds’s answer:

How would you tell the difference between that and the alternative explanation?

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Jan 9, 2024 at 12:53 PM#10

Reporting back.

Update — tachyphylaxis to the gastric effect, persistence of the appetite effect. Two curves, and I had been watching the wrong one.

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