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Compounded sema batch testing results — need advice

steve_okc Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 7:49 AM 14 replies 1,952 viewsPage 1 of 3
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steve_okc
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Aug 30, 2024 at 7:49 AM#1

Two pharmacies quoted me last year, one describing itself as 503A and one as 503B, and I assumed 503B just meant bigger until both stopped within weeks of each other.

Two things anyone can check: a state licence number for a 503A, and an FDA outsourcing-facility registration for a 503B. Both are publicly searchable, and a pharmacy unwilling to give you either has answered the question.

The question I want answered is why a shortage listing created a legal pathway at all, since a shortage is a supply fact rather than a permission.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 8:45 AM#2

Taking the question as asked, rather than the general version of it. They are two different exemptions from the same federal requirements and they buy different things. A 503A pharmacy is regulated primarily by the state board, needs a patient-specific prescription, is exempt from CGMP, and may use a bulk substance that has a USP monograph, is a component of an approved drug, or appears on the 503A bulks list — three independent doorways. A 503B outsourcing facility registers with the FDA, is inspected on a risk basis, must comply with CGMP, may compound for office stock without a patient-specific prescription, and has one doorway to a permitted bulk substance: the 503B bulks list, or the drug shortage list.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 9:41 AM#3
julia.endo said:
They are two different exemptions from the same federal requirements and they buy different things.

Agreed, and the enforcement dates were staggered by category — 503A first, 503B a few weeks later — because outsourcing facilities have manufactured inventory and clinic contracts to unwind while a 503A makes to order.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 10:37 AM#4
steve_okc said:
Two pharmacies quoted me last year, one describing itself as 503A and one as 503B, and I assumed 503B just meant bigger until both stopped within…

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so. Resolution therefore closed the doors unevenly, and the asymmetry follows from the bulks lists. For 503B the shortage clause was the only route to these molecules, so that route shut completely. A 503A pharmacy can still argue a doorway via "component of an approved drug" — but only for the substance in the form present in the approved product, which is exactly where the base-versus-salt argument lives, and it does nothing about the copy restriction, which came back into force on resolution.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 3:59 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

Compounding pharmacy red flag checklist for compounded supply — if ANY of these apply, find a different source:

  1. No verifiable physical address
  2. No pharmacist available for consultation
  3. COA not available or clearly template/fake
  4. Prices dramatically below market ($30-40/month = suspicious)
  5. No prescription required
  6. Ships without cold pack or temperature control
  7. No batch/lot numbers on product labeling
  8. Pushes "research use only" products for human injection

Your health depends on product quality. Don't cut corners on source verification.

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