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Has anyone dealt with a1c reduction on semaglutide: sustain program meta-analysis?

paul_denver Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 11:26 AM 15 replies 2,026 viewsPage 1 of 3
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paul_denver
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Sep 24, 2024 at 11:26 AM#1

My endo has me on both semaglutide 1.7mg AND metformin 1000mg BID. I've been on metformin for years (T2DM) and semaglutide was added 6 months ago.

Now that my A1C is 5.7% (down from 8.2!!) my PCP is questioning why I'm on "two diabetes drugs." He wants to drop the metformin since sema is doing the heavy lifting.

My endo disagrees and wants to keep both. I'm caught between two doctors and I don't know who's right. Is there actual evidence for combination therapy vs sema alone?

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Sep 24, 2024 at 12:13 PM#2

Your endo is right. Here's why:

Metformin and semaglutide work through completely different mechanisms that are genuinely complementary:

MechanismMetforminSemaglutide
Primary actionReduces hepatic glucose outputEnhances insulin secretion (glucose-dependent)
Insulin sensitivityImproves (muscle, liver)Modest improvement
GI effectsActivates AMPK in gut, alters microbiomeDelays gastric emptying, reduces appetite
Weight effectNeutral to modest lossSignificant loss
CV benefitYes (UKPDS)Yes (SELECT)
Cancer risk reductionPossible (observational data)Under investigation
Cost~$4/month generic$350-1350/month

The SUSTAIN 6 trial (cardiovascular outcome trial for semaglutide) had 73% of participants on concomitant metformin. The STEP 2 trial (semaglutide for weight loss in T2DM) also allowed concomitant metformin. These trials demonstrated semaglutide's efficacy ON TOP of metformin, not instead of it.[1][2]

Metformin also has benefits that semaglutide doesn't replicate:

  • AMPK activation (a fundamental metabolic sensor pathway)
  • Mitochondrial complex I inhibition (unique mechanism)
  • Potential longevity benefits (TAME trial is specifically studying this)
  • Gut microbiome modulation (increases Akkermansia, short-chain fatty acid producers)

At $4/month with a 60+ year safety record, there's almost no reason to discontinue metformin unless you're having intolerable side effects. It costs nothing, adds complementary mechanisms, and may have benefits we don't even fully understand yet.

[1] Marso SP, Bain SC, Consoli A, et al. "Semaglutide and Cardiovascular Outcomes in Patients with Type 2 Diabetes." N Engl J Med. 2016;375(19):1834-1844.
[2] Davies M, et al. Lancet. 2021;397(10278):971-984.
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Sep 24, 2024 at 1:00 PM#3

This is incredibly helpful. The mechanistic table makes it very clear they're doing different things. I'm going to share this with my PCP.

The only issue is the GI side effects are... compounding (pun intended). Between metformin and sema, my stomach is not happy. Is there any way to reduce that?

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Sep 24, 2024 at 1:47 PM#4

Switch to metformin ER (extended release) if you haven't already. The ER formulation has dramatically fewer GI side effects than immediate release. Most people who can't tolerate metformin IR do fine on ER. The glucose-lowering efficacy is equivalent.

I take my metformin ER with dinner (largest meal) and inject sema in the morning. Spacing them out helped my GI symptoms a lot.

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Sep 24, 2024 at 6:10 PM#5

I'm on metformin ER already but still getting some stomach upset. My gastro suggested taking it with food (which I do) and adding a probiotic. That helped maybe 40%. The remaining GI symptoms are livable — just annoying.

But I'll keep both meds. The data is convincing. Sometimes optimal treatment means tolerating minor discomfort for major benefit.

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