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Semaglutide cardiovascular benefit: SELECT trial deep dive — looking for input

MaxMetOK Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:04 PM 56 replies 2,950 viewsPage 1 of 12
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MaxMetOK
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Dec 17, 2024 at 2:04 PM#1

Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

Relative versus absolute is the distinction that gets lost: a 20% relative reduction on a high baseline risk is a large absolute benefit, and the same relative figure on a low baseline risk is a small one.

What I am trying to establish is how much of the SELECT benefit is plausibly independent of the weight loss, and whether that distinction changes anything practical.

I have searched first, so if this is covered somewhere point me at it and I will read it.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 3:48 PM#2

Taking the question as asked, rather than the general version of it. The mechanism that matters here is not stomach emptying, it is central. GLP-1 receptor agonism in the arcuate nucleus stimulates POMC neurons and suppresses AgRP/NPY signalling, which is why the effect is appetite and food salience rather than physical fullness. Delayed gastric emptying largely tachyphylaxes over the first months; the appetite effect does not.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 5:32 PM#3
LarryQC_SD said:
The mechanism that matters here is not stomach emptying, it is central.

Agreed, though "tolerable" needs defining. A dose you tolerate by eating almost nothing is not tolerated, it is being paid for somewhere else — usually in lean mass, sometimes in adherence three months later.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 7:16 PM#4
MaxMetOK said:
Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

That holds for the injectable. The oral formulation has different absorption behaviour and the dose numbers are not interchangeable, which is worth saying out loud because people quote them as if they were.

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Dec 18, 2024 at 5:26 AM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

6 month update on cardiovascular risk: down 37 lbs, off blood pressure meds, A1C normalized. Genuinely life-changing.

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