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CJC-1295/Ipamorelin combination — looking for input

pam_columbus Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 11:50 AM 13 replies 1,775 viewsPage 1 of 3
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pam_columbus
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Feb 22, 2025 at 11:50 AM#1

Reading about receptor desensitisation and trying to work out which of the effects adapt over time and which do not, because people clearly experience both.

What would genuinely help is knowing which effects tachyphylax and which persist, because the answer explains why tolerability improves while the appetite effect keeps working.

If the honest answer is that nobody knows, that is a useful answer and I would rather have it.

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Feb 22, 2025 at 1:46 PM#2
pam_columbus said:
Reading about receptor desensitisation and trying to work out which of the effects adapt over time and which do not, because people clearly experience…

Pharmacist here. I want to add the drug interaction perspective on the pharmacology.

Key points from a pharmacokinetic standpoint:

  • GLP-1 agonists delay gastric emptying, which can affect Tmax of co-administered oral medications
  • Monitor patients on warfarin (INR), levothyroxine (TSH), and oral contraceptives during dose titration
  • The albumin-binding mechanism of semaglutide (C-18 fatty acid linker) gives it the ~168-hour half-life that enables weekly dosing
  • Steady state is reached at approximately 4-5 weeks after dose initiation or adjustment

Re: the pharmacology specifically — the pharmacology here is well-characterized and the clinical implications are straightforward.

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Feb 22, 2025 at 3:42 PM#3
Dr.NutriCornell said:
I want to add the drug interaction perspective on the pharmacology.

No disagreement with Dr.NutriCornell. One condition attached. The pharmacokinetics explain nearly every practical question asked here. Albumin binding above 99% slows clearance enough to make weekly dosing possible; a terminal half-life near a week means four to five weeks to steady state and therefore a four-week titration interval; subcutaneous bioavailability around 89% means injection site barely matters. Those three facts answer most timing questions before they are asked.

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Feb 22, 2025 at 5:38 PM#4
pam_columbus said:
Reading about receptor desensitisation and trying to work out which of the effects adapt over time and which do not, because people clearly experience…

Can confirm. Same sequence, different timescale.

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Feb 23, 2025 at 5:02 AM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

Receptor pharmacology relevant to the pharmacology: semaglutide is a GLP-1R agonist with a C-18 fatty acid chain that enables albumin binding (>99%), creating a depot effect with a ~168-hour half-life enabling weekly dosing[1].

Tirzepatide is a dual GIP/GLP-1R agonist with higher GIP affinity (5:1 GIP:GLP-1 potency ratio). The GIP component may enhance beta-cell function and adipocyte lipid metabolism beyond what GLP-1 alone achieves.

For the pharmacology, the pharmacology explains the clinical differences between these agents.

References:
[1] Lau J, et al. J Med Chem. 2015;58(18):7370-7380.
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