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BPC-157 actually fixed my bad knee?? Is this placebo — looking for input

Dr.BariatricHTX Fri, May 16, 2025 at 4:21 AM 10 replies 1,406 viewsPage 2 of 2
Dr.NutriCornell
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May 16, 2025 at 1:34 PM#6
Dr.NateNeph said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

I read this differently from Dr.NateNeph, on substance rather than tone. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

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May 16, 2025 at 5:12 PM#7
Dr.BariatricHTX said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…
Dr.BariatricHTX said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 15 RCTs (n=12,300) found that the trial evidence was associated with a clinically meaningful effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 12, which is comparable to statins for secondary prevention. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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May 16, 2025 at 8:50 PM#8
Dr.NutriCornell said:
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.

Forest plot interpretation for the the trial evidence meta-analysis: when reading the pooled estimate, pay attention to:

  1. Point estimate (HR/RR/OR) — center of the diamond
  2. Confidence interval width — precision of the estimate
  3. I² statistic — heterogeneity across studies
  4. Individual study weights — are results driven by one large trial?
  5. Prediction interval — range of plausible true effects in future settings

The the trial evidence meta-analysis shows a pooled RR of 0.86 (95% CI 0.71-0.86), I²=44%. This is a robust and consistent effect.

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May 17, 2025 at 12:28 AM#9

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

Did your prescriber agree with that reading, and if not what was their objection?

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May 17, 2025 at 5:55 PM#10

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

Follow-up: I read the paper rather than the summary and the qualifier I was missing was in the second paragraph of the results.

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