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Triple agonist sounds scary - is it actually safe — need advice

Dr.RheumBOS Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 11:37 AM 41 replies 2,042 viewsPage 1 of 9
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Dr.RheumBOS
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Dec 17, 2024 at 11:37 AM#1

Sceptical rather than excited about the triple agonist, and I would like somebody to talk me out of the scepticism with data rather than enthusiasm.

The question I want answered is what the phase 2 dropout pattern implies about how the phase 3 tolerability will read.

If the honest answer is that nobody knows, that is a useful answer and I would rather have it.

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LipidDoc_ATL
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Dec 17, 2024 at 12:23 PM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 1:09 PM#3
LipidDoc_ATL said:
There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.

Agreeing with LipidDoc_ATL, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. The glucagon component looks paradoxical and is not. Glucagon receptor agonism raises energy expenditure and drives hepatic fatty-acid oxidation, and its hyperglycaemic tendency is offset by the GLP-1 arm's insulin secretagogue effect. Net result: intake down from GLP-1/GIP, expenditure up from glucagon, glycaemia neutral or improved. It is a balancing act, and it is why the liver-fat results are the most interesting part of the dataset.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 1:55 PM#4
Dr.RheumBOS said:
Sceptical rather than excited about the triple agonist, and I would like somebody to talk me out of the scepticism with data rather than enthusiasm.

Same pattern here, and in the same order. I had assumed I was the exception until I read this.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 6:16 PM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice. If two explanations both fit, the useful question is which one predicts something the other does not. That is answerable; arguing about which sounds more plausible is not.

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