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Should I be worried about my heart rate going up? — anyone have experience?

fiona_VT Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 3:46 AM 12 replies 1,852 viewsPage 2 of 3
Dr.BariatricHTX
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Nov 12, 2024 at 7:09 AM#6
Dr.PainCLE said:
CRP reduction on cardiovascular risk — this is the lab result that excites me most: Baseline hsCRP: 5.0 mg/L (high cardiovascular risk) Month 6 hsCRP:…

Pushing back on Dr.PainCLE here. The "earlier than weight loss explains" argument is weaker than this thread makes it sound. Blood pressure and inflammatory markers move fast and are downstream of early weight loss, so the mechanism is not as cleanly separable as the summaries imply.

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Nov 12, 2024 at 8:28 AM#7
fiona_VT said:
Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

NNT calculation for cardiovascular risk clinical endpoints: NNT = 1/ARR (absolute risk reduction).

From SELECT trial: MACE at 39 months — 6.5% semaglutide vs 8.0% placebo. ARR = 1.5%. NNT = 67 over 3.3 years.

Compare to established therapies:

InterventionNNTTimeframe
Semaglutide (MACE)673.3 years
Statins primary prevention (MI)~1005 years
Aspirin secondary prevention~772 years

These NNTs are clinically meaningful and comparable to accepted cardiovascular interventions.

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Nov 12, 2024 at 9:47 AM#8
Dr.BariatricHTX said:
The "earlier than weight loss explains" argument is weaker than this thread makes it sound.

Positive "side effect" of cardiovascular risk: my blood pressure dropped so much that I'm now off amlodipine entirely! My cardiologist is thrilled.

If you're on BP meds and losing weight on a GLP-1, monitor your BP at home regularly. Hypotension symptoms (dizziness, lightheadedness when standing) mean your BP meds may need reduction. Don't wait for your next scheduled appointment — call your doctor.

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Nov 12, 2024 at 11:06 AM#9

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

How would you tell the difference between that and the alternative explanation?

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Nov 12, 2024 at 5:25 PM#10
claudia_zurich said:
Positive "side effect" of cardiovascular risk: my blood pressure dropped so much that I'm now off amlodipine entirely!

Anti-inflammatory mechanisms of GLP-1 agonists and cardiovascular risk: beyond weight loss, GLP-1R activation directly suppresses NF-κB signaling, reduces NLRP3 inflammasome activation, and decreases monocyte/macrophage adhesion to endothelium[1].

Clinical correlates: hsCRP reduction of 30-60% (consistently seen across trials), reduced carotid intima-media thickness, and decreased coronary plaque inflammation on PET imaging.

These anti-inflammatory effects likely contribute to the cardiovascular benefit seen in SELECT — and may explain benefits beyond what weight loss alone would predict.

References:
[1] Hogan AE, et al. Diabetologia. 2014;57(4):781-784.
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