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Community poll: What medication are you currently on? — anyone have experience?

mia_MS2 Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 4:56 AM 9 replies 2,155 viewsPage 2 of 2
Dr.KarenChen
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Jan 25, 2024 at 12:39 AM#6
mike.trainer_LA said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

This is where I part company with the consensus forming above. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

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Jan 25, 2024 at 8:28 AM#7
mia_MS2 said:
I keep finding that the number in the press summary and the number in the paper are not the same number, and the difference is always in the same…
mia_MS2 said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 15 RCTs (n=12,300) found that the trial evidence was associated with a clinically meaningful effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 12, which is comparable to statins for secondary prevention. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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Jan 25, 2024 at 4:17 PM#8
Dr.KarenChen said:
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.

Forest plot interpretation for the the trial evidence meta-analysis: when reading the pooled estimate, pay attention to:

  1. Point estimate (HR/RR/OR) — center of the diamond
  2. Confidence interval width — precision of the estimate
  3. I² statistic — heterogeneity across studies
  4. Individual study weights — are results driven by one large trial?
  5. Prediction interval — range of plausible true effects in future settings

The the trial evidence meta-analysis shows a pooled RR of 0.84 (95% CI 0.69-0.84), I²=42%. This is a robust and consistent effect.

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Jan 26, 2024 at 12:06 AM#9

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

What would you measure differently if you were starting again?

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Jan 27, 2024 at 1:37 PM#10

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

Follow-up: I read the paper rather than the summary and the qualifier I was missing was in the second paragraph of the results.

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