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Compounded tirzepatide formulation challenges — looking for input

Dr.EndoIndy Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 8:50 AM 43 replies 2,583 viewsPage 6 of 9
ingrid_STO
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Jul 13, 2024 at 6:06 PM#26

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads. It is worth asking what the claim would look like if it were false. If nothing would look different, it is not a claim about the world and no amount of discussion will settle it.

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Jul 14, 2024 at 6:01 AM#27
ingrid_STO said:
It is worth asking what the claim would look like if it were false.

This is my experience too, for whatever a second data point is worth. I had assumed I was the exception until I read this.

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Jul 14, 2024 at 5:56 PM#28
ingrid_STO said:
It is worth asking what the claim would look like if it were false.

Coming at ingrid_STO’s question from a different direction. They are two different exemptions from the same federal requirements and they buy different things. A 503A pharmacy is regulated primarily by the state board, needs a patient-specific prescription, is exempt from CGMP, and may use a bulk substance that has a USP monograph, is a component of an approved drug, or appears on the 503A bulks list — three independent doorways. A 503B outsourcing facility registers with the FDA, is inspected on a risk basis, must comply with CGMP, may compound for office stock without a patient-specific prescription, and has one doorway to a permitted bulk substance: the 503B bulks list, or the drug shortage list.

Correct me if the detail matters more than I have assumed.

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Jul 15, 2024 at 5:51 AM#29

One concrete data point for the thread. The boring version of this is the one that works, and the boring version is: measure a baseline, change one variable, wait, measure again under the same conditions. Nobody wants that answer and it is still the answer.

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Jul 15, 2024 at 5:46 PM#30

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

The bulks-list asymmetry was the piece I had missed entirely. It explains why one of my two pharmacies is still arguing it can supply and the other simply stopped.

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