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My cardiologist just high-fived me at my checkup lol — what worked for you?

DataDave Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 9:26 PM 11 replies 1,375 viewsPage 3 of 3
labquiet_amy
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Aug 8, 2025 at 8:35 PM#11
CarlaRPh_TPA said:
Positive "side effect" of cardiovascular risk: my blood pressure dropped so much that I'm now off amlodipine entirely!
CarlaRPh_TPA said:
...we're creating a generation dependent on cardiovascular risk...

I understand the concern, but consider this analogy: are we "creating a generation dependent on" blood pressure medication? Cholesterol medication? Thyroid medication?

Obesity is a chronic disease with biological drivers. Treating it with medication is no different from treating any other chronic condition. The "dependency" framing implies weakness or moral failure — neither of which is accurate.

If ongoing medication is what keeps someone healthy, that's successful treatment, not dependency.

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Aug 9, 2025 at 5:45 AM#12
SleepDoc_PDX said:
Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated…

This is exactly what I could not find anywhere else. Taking it to my next appointment.

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Aug 9, 2025 at 2:55 PM#13
CarlaRPh_TPA said:
Positive "side effect" of cardiovascular risk: my blood pressure dropped so much that I'm now off amlodipine entirely!

I want to bring up the cardiovascular angle on cardiovascular risk.

The SELECT trial demonstrated a 20% reduction in MACE with semaglutide 2.4mg[1]. This is practice-changing because the CV benefit appears to be independent of the degree of weight loss — suggesting direct vascular and anti-inflammatory mechanisms.

For cardiovascular risk, this means we need to think beyond the primary outcome and consider the cardiovascular implications. The all-cause mortality reduction (HR 0.81) is the most clinically meaningful signal.

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[1] Lincoff AM, et al. N Engl J Med. 2023;389(24):2221-2232.
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Aug 10, 2025 at 12:05 AM#14
DataDave said:
My reason for being on this is cardiovascular rather than cosmetic, which puts me in a small minority in most of these threads.

NNT calculation for cardiovascular risk clinical endpoints: NNT = 1/ARR (absolute risk reduction).

From SELECT trial: MACE at 39 months — 6.5% semaglutide vs 8.0% placebo. ARR = 1.5%. NNT = 67 over 3.3 years.

Compare to established therapies:

InterventionNNTTimeframe
Semaglutide (MACE)673.3 years
Statins primary prevention (MI)~1005 years
Aspirin secondary prevention~772 years

These NNTs are clinically meaningful and comparable to accepted cardiovascular interventions.

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Aug 10, 2025 at 9:15 AM#15

Moderator note: reminder that nothing in this thread is medical advice, and that clinical claims need a source.

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