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I just want to eat pizza again is that too much to ask — what worked for you?

TrialNerd_Beth Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 11:35 AM 11 replies 1,831 viewsPage 2 of 3
JessicaH_TX
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Sep 24, 2024 at 3:09 PM#6
Dr.GastroMayo said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

Filing a mild objection. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

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Sep 24, 2024 at 4:32 PM#7
TrialNerd_Beth said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…
TrialNerd_Beth said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 12 RCTs (n=8,400) found that the trial evidence was associated with a significant effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 8, which is comparable to metformin for T2DM prevention. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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Sep 24, 2024 at 5:55 PM#8
JessicaH_TX said:
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 18,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced stroke risk (HR 0.82) over 4 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

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[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Sep 24, 2024 at 7:18 PM#9

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

What did you change at the same time, and can you separate the two now?

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TrialNerd_Beth
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Sep 25, 2024 at 1:57 AM#10

Reporting back.

Update — my curve sits below the published mean and the explanation is that the trial arm had support I do not have. That was reassuring rather than otherwise.

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