🍪 The GLP Lounge uses cookies to improve your experience, analyze traffic, and personalize content. By continuing to use this site, you agree to our Cookie Policy.
Evidence-based GLP-1 & peptide discussion since 2023
ForumsPublic SquareMy wife thinks I am crazy for doing this lol — need advice

My wife thinks I am crazy for doing this lol — need advice

LipidDoc_ATL Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 6:38 AM 54 replies 2,912 viewsPage 1 of 11
This thread is more than 19 months old. Information may be outdated. Consider searching for more recent discussions.
LipidDoc_ATL
Senior Member
1,123
5,678
Apr 2024
Atlanta, GA
Oct 31, 2024 at 6:38 AM#1

I keep finding that the number in the press summary and the number in the paper are not the same number, and the difference is always in the same direction.

The bit I cannot resolve on my own is how to read a result like this without either dismissing it or over-reading it, since the summaries all read like press releases.

Not looking for reassurance. Looking for the part I have got wrong.

11 14rachel_ABQ, traveltech_sara, AttorneyGrant and 8 others
Reply Quote Save Share Report
KevinCompounds
VIP Member
5,432
18,234
Dec 2023
Nevada
Oct 31, 2024 at 6:49 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. Read four things before the headline number. The population, because trial populations are selected and supported in ways that real cohorts are not. The comparator, because "better than placebo" and "better than the current standard" are different claims and get reported identically. The primary endpoint as pre-registered, because a secondary endpoint promoted after the fact is a hypothesis rather than a finding. And the completion rate, because a large effect in the half of participants who finished is a different result from a large effect in everybody enrolled.

I would rather be corrected than agreed with, if it comes to it.

12 15Dr.RaviCardio, jennifer_SEA, tyler_CSCS and 9 others
Reply Quote Save Share Report
RickReta_CO
Member
312
1,234
Jan 2025
Colorado
Oct 31, 2024 at 7:00 AM#3
KevinCompounds said:
Read four things before the headline number.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 18,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced MI incidence (HR 0.78) over 4 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

References:
[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
13 16hyun_seoul, jim_asheville, matt_MKE and 10 others
Reply Quote Save Share Report

PeptideMeter — Independent Peptide Analytics

Community-driven peptide testing and vendor rating platform. Transparent results. Unbiased analysis. Trusted by thousands.

View Results
rachel_ABQ
Member
178
890
Dec 2024
Albuquerque, NM
Oct 31, 2024 at 7:11 AM#4
LipidDoc_ATL said:
I keep finding that the number in the press summary and the number in the paper are not the same number, and the difference is always in the same…

Can confirm the pattern LipidDoc_ATL describes. Relative and absolute effects need reading together. A 20% relative reduction on a high baseline risk is a large absolute benefit; the same relative figure on a low baseline risk is a small one, and press summaries almost always quote the relative number because it is bigger.

Last edited: Oct 31, 2024 at 12:11 PM
14 17SkepticalSean, Dr.CardioMD, EndoResFellow and 11 others
Reply Quote Save Share Report
Dr.CardioMD
VIP Member
2,678
14,567
Dec 2023
Cleveland, OH
Oct 31, 2024 at 8:07 AM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

LipidDoc_ATL said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 15 RCTs (n=12,300) found that the trial evidence was associated with a clinically meaningful effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 12, which is comparable to antihypertensives for stroke reduction. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

15 18josh_phd_bmore, roxy_nash, tony_orlando and 12 others
Reply Quote Save Share Report

Similar Threads

SELECT trial 4-year follow-up data released — sustained MACE reduction16 replies
GLP-1 receptor agonists and thyroid C-cell concerns — evidence review19 replies
Is there a ceiling effect for GLP-1-mediated weight loss?20 replies
Comparative pharmacokinetics: semaglutide vs tirzepatide vs retatrutide6 replies
My 18-month semaglutide journey — comprehensive data log20 replies
ForumsNewTrendingMembersAccount

Log In

Forgot password?
No account? Register