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Dr.MetabolicMD Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 2:39 AM 15 replies 1,818 viewsPage 2 of 3
TrialTracker_MD
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Dec 30, 2024 at 4:19 AM#6
Dr.GastroMayo said:
Read four things before the headline number.

This is where I part company with the consensus forming above. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

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Dec 30, 2024 at 2:33 PM#7
Dr.MetabolicMD said:
I keep finding that the number in the press summary and the number in the paper are not the same number, and the difference is always in the same…
Dr.MetabolicMD said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 15 RCTs (n=12,300) found that the trial evidence was associated with a clinically meaningful effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 12, which is comparable to metformin for T2DM prevention. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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Dec 31, 2024 at 12:47 AM#8
TrialTracker_MD said:
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 12,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced heart failure hospitalization (HR 0.74) over 3 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

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[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Dec 31, 2024 at 11:00 AM#9

Following on from tyler_CSCS — and this may be the naive question:

What would you measure differently if you were starting again?

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Jan 2, 2025 at 12:03 PM#10

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

Follow-up: I read the paper rather than the summary and the qualifier I was missing was in the second paragraph of the results.

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