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Oral semaglutide bioavailability optimization — 12 month update

jim_asheville Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 4:58 PM 58 replies 3,516 viewsPage 2 of 12
DebRD_ATL
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Feb 7, 2024 at 9:49 PM#6
NurseKim_ATL said:
The OASIS programme put 50mg oral in the same territory as 2.4mg injectable — around 15% mean weight loss — but it needed a dose 20 times larger to…

I do not accept that the fasting window is a minor inconvenience. Adherence data on daily orals with timing requirements is consistently worse than weekly injections, and a drug you take imperfectly is a lower dose than the one on the box.

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Feb 7, 2024 at 11:43 PM#7

Adding the numbers, since they settle part of this. Worth knowing that the injection site changes very little. Abdomen, thigh and upper arm are bioequivalent for semaglutide, so a site change is not a plausible explanation for a bad week.

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Feb 8, 2024 at 1:37 AM#8
DebRD_ATL said:
I do not accept that the fasting window is a minor inconvenience.

There is a second half to this that has not been said yet. The dose-response is real but shallow at the top. Across STEP 1 and STEP 4 the gap between 1.7mg and 2.4mg is a couple of percentage points of body weight on average, and the average is carrying a wide spread — plenty of people at 1.7mg sit above the 2.4mg mean. If a dose is working and tolerable, "working" is the relevant variable, not "maximal".

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Feb 8, 2024 at 3:31 AM#9

Following on from Dr.SurgeonPGH — and this may be the naive question:

Whether the fasting requirement is as strict in practice as the label implies, and what people actually see when they get it wrong?

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Feb 8, 2024 at 12:39 PM#10

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

Follow-up: moving the tablet to the moment I wake, before anything else, was the whole fix. The dose never changed.

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