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PLEASE just give me a pill already I hate needles so much — May 2025

KetoKyle Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 4:55 AM 10 replies 1,820 viewsPage 1 of 2
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KetoKyle
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Aug 30, 2024 at 4:55 AM#1

On 25mg oral, four months in, and my results are closer to the low-dose injectable arm than to the numbers being quoted for 50mg.

The question I want answered is whether the fasting requirement is as strict in practice as the label implies, and what people actually see when they get it wrong.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 5:02 AM#2

Taking the question as asked, rather than the general version of it. The OASIS programme put 50mg oral in the same territory as 2.4mg injectable — around 15% mean weight loss — but it needed a dose 20 times larger to get there because almost none of the tablet is absorbed. The dose numbers are not comparable across routes and quoting them side by side confuses people.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 5:09 AM#3
Dr.ObesityMed said:
The OASIS programme put 50mg oral in the same territory as 2.4mg injectable — around 15% mean weight loss — but it needed a dose 20 times larger to…

Agreeing with Dr.ObesityMed, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. The absorption variability is real, but it partly averages out over weeks — the steady-state trough is less erratic than any single day would suggest. Where it bites is in the first fortnight, when people conclude the tablet does nothing.

Ask again with the specifics and you will get a better answer than this one.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 5:16 AM#4
KetoKyle said:
On 25mg oral, four months in, and my results are closer to the low-dose injectable arm than to the numbers being quoted for 50mg.

Can confirm the pattern KetoKyle describes. Oral semaglutide is absorbed in the stomach with the help of SNAC, which locally raises pH and protects the peptide long enough to cross. That mechanism is fragile: bioavailability is roughly 1% and highly sensitive to gastric contents, so a mouthful of coffee genuinely changes the exposure. This is why the label wants 30 minutes and no more than half a glass of plain water.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 5:54 AM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly. Take it one variable at a time. Almost every unanswerable question in these threads is unanswerable because three things changed in the same fortnight, and no amount of subsequent argument can untangle them after the fact.

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