This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. Denials are usually procedural rather than clinical, and the order that works reflects that. Get the denial reason in writing, because it names the criterion you failed. Then supply the documentation that criterion asks for — usually documented BMI with a comorbidity, or a failed prior therapy. Then appeal, and ask for a peer-to-peer review, because a prescriber talking to a reviewing clinician resolves a large fraction of denials that written appeals do not. Manufacturer copay assistance is separate and applies mainly to commercial insurance, and patient assistance programmes are means-tested rather than a discount.
Reading the phase 2 write-up next to the injectable trials, and the comparison people keep making does not survive putting the two protocols side by side.
Phase 2: about 14.7% at 36 weeks on 45mg, GI adverse events broadly in line with the injectables, no food-timing requirement.
The bit I cannot resolve on my own is whether a non-peptide oral agonist can match injectable exposure in practice, or whether the convenience is bought with a lower ceiling.
Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.
DanielChem_CHI said:Denials are usually procedural rather than clinical, and the order that works reflects that.
Agreeing with DanielChem_CHI, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. The manufacturing argument is the underrated one. Peptide synthesis capacity has been the binding constraint on this entire class, and a small molecule is made in ordinary chemical plants. If it holds up in phase 3, the supply and price picture changes more than the efficacy picture does.
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View ResultsDr.CardioMD said:Reading the phase 2 write-up next to the injectable trials, and the comparison people keep making does not survive putting the two protocols side by…
Agreed, and coverage criteria are plan-specific rather than insurer-specific. Two people with the same insurer and different employers have different rules, which is why "my insurer covers it" is not transferable information.
If somebody has the primary source to hand I would rather cite it than paraphrase it.
Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice. Worth answering the question that was asked rather than the one behind it. The narrow version usually has an answer; the broad version usually does not, and answering the broad one is how a thread stops being useful.
Happy to go further on any of that.