Dr.Martinez said:Steady state is the thing most people miss.
All true, with one condition: that curve is for people who reached the dose on schedule. Anyone who slowed the ladder for tolerability is on a different, flatter curve, and comparing yourself with the published mean will make you feel like a non-responder when you are not.
BrianDallas92 said:Agreed, though "tolerable" needs defining.
Saving this. It is the first explanation that did not require me to already understand it. Taking it to my next appointment.
Dr.Martinez said:Steady state is the thing most people miss.
I will push back on the "any working dose is fine" framing. The maintenance evidence sits overwhelmingly at the top studied dose, and the extension data shows regain tracking dose reduction rather than tracking stopping. Holding low is reasonable; pretending it is evidentially equivalent is not.
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pam_columbus said:...regarding the discontinuation data for cost and coverage...
I want to reframe the discontinuation narrative. We don't say "insulin fails because blood sugar rises when you stop it." We don't say "antihypertensives fail because BP goes up without them."
Why do we apply different logic to anti-obesity medications? The answer is stigma. We still, unconsciously, believe obesity is about willpower rather than biology. The discontinuation data actually PROVES it's a chronic biological condition requiring ongoing treatment.
This reframing isn't semantic — it has implications for insurance coverage, treatment duration, and patient expectations.
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